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Interview with UK Practitioners Who Were Detained in Beijing On the afternoon of February 14, 2002, 4 UK practitioners held a press conference in Heathrow
Airport, London and recounted their experience. The four UK citizens went to China as tourists but
were illegally arrested and beaten in a hotel in Beijing in the afternoon of February 13, 2002.
Chinese police confiscated part of their personal belongings and deported them forcefully. Radio stations, TV stations and news agencies from the UK and the US covered the press
conference. BBC radio broadcasting station and TV stations reported the news immediately. The 4 UK
citizens who are Falun Gong practitioners had hoped that there would be chances to clarify the truth
to Chinese people during their tour in Beijing. During recent days, quite a few UK TV stations and
newspapers made appointments with the four practitioners for interviews and special topic programs
to recount their experience. Caption: British Citizens Rosemary and Lee Hall arrive at Heathrow Airport, London
and hold a press conference. Reporters from BBC, Reuters, Epoch Times and other international
media interviewed them. The four practitioners were identified as Lee Hall, an English student at Loughborough
University; Earl Rhodes, a BBC cameraman; Rosemary Katzen, an English tutor, and Robert Gibson, a
retired osteopath. The following information was given at an interview conducted with Falun Gong practitioners Lee
Hall 21, an English Literature student at Loughborough University and Rosemary Katzen, 42, a Senior
tutor with LET Training Services, Leicester. We had been to the Summer Palace, a famous tourist attraction on the afternoon of Wednesday
2/13/02 and returned to the youth hostel in the early afternoon to find 20-30 police officers
milling around outside. They spoke to Robert Gibson, a member of our party, and told him that we
should all go to our rooms and wait. We complied and Robert followed. Police Mistreated Us with Force and Refused Us to Contact with UK Embassy The police entered our room and began searching through our belongings. They did not speak to us
and did not produce a search warrant or explain why they were doing this. Then they made it clear
that they wanted our flight tickets and passports. After some attempts to reason with the police, we
felt that we should cooperate and handed over the required items. We asked to speak to the British
Embassy and were told that we did not need to do as we were not under arrest. We asked to leave but
were told that we could not do so, effectively prisoners. We sat down on our beds and refused to go
with them. The police tried to force us to go but we held tight, resisting passively. They grabbed
Rosemary, who was the smallest and lightest, also the only woman in our UK group, dragging her
towards the door by her arms and hair, then proceeded to throw her down several flights of stairs
where she was moved along on the ground. She was calling out "Falun Dafa Hao" [Falun Dafa
is Good]. Other tourists entering the hostel were shocked to be confronted by a Westerner being
dragged along by so many police. We could not let Rosemary go like that so we hurried after, which
is what they were expecting. Outside the Hostel, they herded us into a waiting police van. Earl Rhodes went to get on to the
bus through the rear doors, shouting out "Falun Dafa Hao". The van driver attempted to hit
Earl with the open doors by going into reverse suddenly: the harmful action rebounded on the police
standing near the open doors and they were pushed out of the way and Earl was able to continue
shouting. Robert Gibson was pushed roughly by the head into the van, which was very poor conduct
towards a 70-year-old elderly person. A practitioner called Steven from America was also put on the bus, as there were so many police
in the van, 18 to our 5, we were able to clarify the truth to them. We were driven to a concealed
entrance at the back of the airport, off-loaded and given a comprehensive search. The police
concerned in the search wore surgical gloves and made us take our things out of our bags. They took
things that were related to Falun Gong and also personal items such as our walkmans which were
"confiscated" because Falun Gong tapes had been played on them! These were not returned,
making this theft. We were separated and each one was surrounded by 8-10 police and interrogated for
over 2.5 hours very intensively. Earl, Robert and I were held in separate airport hotel rooms. there
was continual videoing of all of us throughout our captivity. We were then sent for dinner all together. We refused to eat because we knew that the videotapes
would be edited to provide material for the evil propaganda run by the government to slander Falun
Gong and we were not prepared to be used in this way, seemingly having good treatment, which was not
the case. They continued to interrogate us and tried to make us sign documents written in Chinese
which we all refused to do. They became very angry and threatened us with great fines if we did not
agree, we still refused. Police Are Shocked: People Can Practice Falun Gong Freely Overseas?! Eventually at about 2 or 3 am, we started reading Zhuan Falun [the main book of Falun
Gong] which we still kept with us. It seemed that everything that was said by the police guarding us
was set up for us to tell them the truth. Some of the young police officers were quite amazed to
find that it was legal to practice Falun Gong in the rest of the world. They had been told that it
was "illegal" in the whole world! They were astounded that my fleece embroidered with
Falun Dafa characters had been made in a factory. They kept repeating, "You are not allowed to
make them." They were also shocked to find that I come from a university where others with
high-level qualifications also practiced Falun Gong freely. They could not accept that there were
police officers who beat up, tortured and killed Falun Gong practitioners, i.e. those from the 610
office. I was shocked to find that they had been so completely deceived by their own government. A Female Police Officer Was Shocked after Knowing the Truth of the Self-immolation Incident At about 3.30 am, we started to practice the Falun Gong exercises. All the police surrounding us
were watching. When we finished, they were asleep. Later we found that two police were reading
"Peaceful Journey" all the way through. A female police officer who had witnessed the self
-immolation incident the previous year was shocked to find out the truth. Rosemary had a truth
clarifying VCD with her which she gave to the officer who was very interested and who said that she
would pass it round to her colleagues and friends when she had finished with it. The next morning the filming continued and at 9.30am, we packed our things. We were separated;
Rosemary and I stayed together as we said we were going to the same place, even though they had
taken our bus tickets from Heathrow Airport to Leicester [where we live] away from us although they
were of no use to them. This was just spiteful. Robert and Earl were kept together. They took us
back to the airport security area, our bags were searched again even though we had not been out of
sight of the police at any time. We had to go through X-ray machines twice. They had also subjected
us to this when we were first arrested and searched the previous day. We were eventually put into a police van, together with 14 police guards, flanked front and rear
by two police cars, each containing 5 policemen. We were still being filmed and this continued right
up until we walked onto the aeroplane. The police had made the plane wait for Rosemary and I and the
pilot made an announcement "welcoming" us. The air stewardesses knew little about us so we
were able to clarify the truth to them during the flight which will help eliminate the evil as they
will be able to pass on the truth to all the Chinese they have as passengers from now on. We arrived at Heathrow airport and were the last to disembark as we had been placed at the very
back of the aircraft. We were met by practitioners with flowers and the press in the form of Steve
Mellor, Heathrow reporting (Reuters), Jane Warr and Caroline Alton for the BBC (covering all news
agencies local and international), David Parker for The Daily Mail and The Epoch Times. There were
three film crew and a UK Falun Gong practitioner filming the live interview which lasted about 45
minutes. Further TV and live radio interviews were set up at the same time. Police Brutally Treated Us as though We Were Dangerous Criminals I [Lee Hall] would like to make some particular comments about our trip to China; We were interrogated without access to legal representation and had been denied help from the
British Embassy which by law is our right. We were roughed up by the police and treated as though we were dangerous criminals, deprived of
sleep and some of our personal possessions were stolen. The majority of the police were young men,
younger than myself [I am 21], who have been brainwashed by the evilness of the government
propaganda: they are aware of nothing else. Rosemary's particular comments are: I asked the police guarding us about Truthfulness, Compassion and Forbearance, did they think
that was a good thing or a bad thing? They replied that it was good. I asked what they thought about
Falun Gong and they said that it was bad. I asked If they would say the same thing if they were not
wearing their uniforms, they said that Falun Gong was good for health. They were not able to make
the distinction that Truthfulness, Compassion, Forbearance and Falun Gong were one and the same
thing. Although we did not get to make our protest as we had planned, we intend to use this opportunity
to raise awareness of the persecution of the Chinese Falun Gong practitioners by their own
government and the appalling treatment of Western people who go peacefully to appeal so that their
fellow practitioners once again be allowed to practice freely, without fear of persecution and
death. Although we were treated very badly, we know that this is little in comparison to what the
Chinese people experience when they go to Tiananmen Square to peacefully say that Truthfulness,
Compassion and Forbearance are good. Reported by UK practitioners 14 February 2002 (The interview context is from http://www.clearharmony.net/articles/3094.html and http://www.clearharmony.net/articles/3115.html) Posting date: 2/19/2002
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